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What a Temper, Lassie! by Jullelin What a Temper, Lassie! by Jullelin
"Come on. Come On. Good boy. Gooood booooy. Gooood."
Emma worked Lascivio in the working area at FAS the day before the olympics and this was the stallions first workout at the grounds. After 45 minutes he had finally settled down and started to focus on his rider and not on the riders and horses around him also working. Lascivio had once kicked after a horse who accidently got too close.
"Arrrrgghhh!" growled Emma as she steared away the stallions bum from the other horse.
He reared up several times when Emma tried to make piruettes and she exclaimed angerly yet firm "NO'es!"
Lascivio had even started to buck at one time. Emma was close to giving up.
"Keep it up," said William who had walked into the arena to help Emma in her desperate intention to make the stallion focus. After loads of work and advices, Lascivio was rather tired due to his bad behaviour and now finally he was working nicely, though a bit tired, trotting in a circle around William who had the black stallion in a longe line to keep him intact.

A group of people had gathered around the arena to see the stallion at his worst and see Emma's struggle and hanged over the fence to get a closer view. William pulled Lascivio into the center of the circle and turned him and Emma loose and Lascivio cantered along passing by other equestrians allong the fence and the only thing he now did was to stretch his ears back and flicker his tail sharply. But he didn't do much more else now.
"It's a progress!" shouted William as he collected the longe line, looking after the team and returning to the fence.
Emma collected him into a piaffe and he walked collected and centered with his neck high and his head pressed tight to his throat as he chewed his bit. He snorted loudly every 5th second and shock his head slightly while his lips smacked together with each step he made. Emma pushed him forward and he left his piaffe and went into a collected trot.

"Good." Emma patted Lascivio after the now one and a half hour long workout and Lascivio was breathing exhausted. She let go of the reins as Lascivio walked and he gladly stretched out his neck and walked with his head close to the ground as he stopped to scratch away to foam from his mouth against his left foreleg. Emma held the reins loose in one hand as she waited. He started to walk again and though he was loose to do what he pleased he didn't bother about the other horses. He was toooooo tired to care about them.

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Starting number: 024
Nation: Sweden
Horse: RD's Lascivio
Rider/ Handler: Emma Green
Breed: Dutch Warmblood
Gender: Stallion
Age: 8 years old
Stable: Rosendal Stables
Show: HARPG Olympics

Inspection pic: [link]
Bonus Pics: [link]
Show Pic: [link]
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And here we have it. Lascivio and Emma's training pic for the Olympics ^^
It has been so delayed, but now it's finally here. I am glad I sat down and drew it, because I love it. Lascivio is such a beauty :meow: though, he is kind of a monster xD

I would most likely run if I was to ride such a horse LOL
I am highly impressed by Emma's patient with this boy... and the fact that she is riding without a helmet XD such a daredevil she is... just like Lassie XD

Hope you enjoy it.
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Dinaton Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Я не слепая и вижу, что это "THEY ARE NOT REAL!!!". Но это нарисовано очень болезненно и ещё эта пена у коня вокруг губ. Почему спортсмены считают нормальным, когда лошади отжёвывают железо?! Уздечка причиняет лошади только боль, другого предназначения у неё нет.(
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Castilvani Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013
Ну, давайте. Продолжайте слушаться Невзорова. Продолжайте верить ему. А если он скажет,  что если лошадь погладить, то ей станет больно, вы поверите?
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Dinaton Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ну во первых, он такого никогда не скажет. Всё, что он говорит по этому поводу, он видел сам. Цитата: "Дело в том, что мы долго проводили исследования по спинным мышцам лошади. У нас есть научный центр, который этим занимается. Так называемые подкожные мышцы, cutaneus maximus, cutaneus scapulobrachialis, первыми принимают на себя вес, давление всадника, давление седла. Это очень тонкие мышцы, в которых микроваскуляризация, т.е. кровоснабжение, заканчивается, по самым скромным подсчетам, буквально через 3-4 минуты. Ощущения примерно будут такие же, как у вас, когда вы отсидите ногу. То есть это онемение и покалывание. Дальше, если вы будете продолжать сидеть на этой отсиженной ноге, вы ощутите боль и некую потерю контроля за этой ногой. Примерно такое испытывает любая лошадь под любым седлом, под любым человеком, но деваться ей некуда. Потому что не только железо во рту, но еще и всадник сверху — это колоссальный постоянно действующий травматический фактор. Понимаете, ведь у каждого человека разные задачи. Если есть желание получать удовольствие от причинения кому-то боли, причем боли, ничем не оправданной, ненужной, поскольку нет никакой необходимости садиться на лошадь верхом, то..." 
Я верю только научно подкреплённым фактам, и теорию опровергающую выше сказанное ещё не слышала.)))
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Castilvani Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013
Если он наврал про  ухудшение дыхания лошади с железом во рту, то нет смысла верить и другим его словам.
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Dinaton Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
То что ты не  знаешь анатомии и физиологии ещё не значит, что он врёт. Учиться надо, литературу определённую читать, а не попу свою на лошадиной спине катать! Во время работы с железом (даже просто бега рысью с железом во рту, БЕЗ всяких воздействий со стороны всадника) у лошади включаются сразу две системы: пищеварительная и глубокого дыхания, и одна другой невероятно мешают. Нет, лошадь не дышит ртом, но в результате такой работы, при т.н. отжевывании язык постоянно втягивается за железо, и при этом западает надгортанник, а мягкое небо поднимается и частично перекрывает дыхательные пути. В результате сего через несколько лет лошади уже обеспечены проблемы дыхательных путей: тяжелое дыхание при нагрузках, рорер, стеноз трахеи (деформация дыхательного горла), асфиксия (от нехватки кислорода), и как следствие - отек легких, а так же может со временем развиться бронхит, аденопневмопатия.
ссылка на источник thehorses.ru/text2/vozdeistvie… там ещё много на эту тему, читай, развивайсяStupid  
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Castilvani Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013

Дорогая моя,  я попрошу тебя быть повежливей со мной.
То, что ты насмотрелась всяких фильмов не значит, что железо причиняет  боль лошади. Да, бывает. Но только в руках неумелого всадника. Для таких   людей есть  особый мягкий трензель. Он не порвёт лошади рот, не защемит щёку и т.д.  Был даже  эксперимент:  мой друг засунул себе в рот лошадиное железо, чтобы понять, что чувствует лошадь. Тянул из-за всех сил, но ничего  не чувствовал. Может был момент, когда он ударил зуб, но у лошади-то челюсть другая.  Трензель до  премоляров  не достанет, а это значит, что животному достаточно комфортно.
А для  приверед есть резиновые трензеля. С двойным сочленением даже есть, чтобы форму языка повторял.

Так что, дорогой собеседник, если тебе что-то не нравится - "катайся" с кордой, но  других  людей не трогай.

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Dinaton Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ну во-первых, я не катаюсь. Во вторых, опровергни, что железо это комфортно и не доставляет лошади боли. Я что-то ещё не видела ни одного научного труда на эту тему.)) А вот результаты суд.мед. экспертиз спортивных лошадей видела, так же есть книга Роберта Кука "Железо во рту лошади". Почитай если не лень. И в третьих, поцмены  в моих глазах не  заслуживают уважительного отношения, вас убить мало, за то что вы творите с лошадьми.  Трензель до премоляров при сильном натяжении достаёт (если он лежит даже  прямо за этими премолярами filly.msk.ru/polza/mouth.htm) и трещины на зубах тому свидетельство. Черепа рабочих лошадей посмотрите на конец, если мои слова вас не убедили. Я не насмотрелась фильмов, я видела достаточно в интернете живых примеров жестокого обращения и сделала определённые выводы. Мягкого железа не бывает и боль причиняют абсолютно все, тонкие, дутые грызла. Без разницы, разве, что тонким больше шансов рот в кровь порвать и всё. Всю историю своего существования суть железа была одна, а тут вдруг изменилась! Древние образцы удил посмотрите, греческие, старые школьные. Зачем тогда все эти шипики, требюше и кокили? Что бы лошадке было приятнее, ага.))
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Dinaton Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Боже кошмар какой! И нравится вам рисовать страдания этих прекрасных существ?
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Soiea Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a DRAWING NOT A PHOTOGRAPH. The horse cannot feel a single thing because it does not physically exist.
So pipe down!
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Jullelin Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
Okay. Missy. I am tired of your comments now. If I could, I would drag all my drawings which you have faved back, because you surely dosen't deserve to have them on your page.
1. I do not abuse these horses.
2. This is how the equestrian worlds looks like sometimes. Things dosen't always go as planned
3. THEY ARE NOT REAL!!!

Now, stop bugging me.
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KonaKinz Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my god it's a f*cking drawing. People are seriously ridiculousssss! I love this drawing, and rollkur or not it's gorgeous. I don't believe the horse is brought past the vertical point anyways.

And seriously, any horse can make it look like a rollkur if the horse is acting up. So it's not big deal. Either way it's a gorgeous picture and I think it's so retarded to start a fight about rollkurr or not over a drawing in a GAME. I care about my pixel horses just as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to act like HARPG needs a PETA group to run around and complain about every little fricken issue that there is with a picture. Seriously, grow up.

Jullelin, I love this and can't wait to see more of Lascivio. He is an incredible stallion and this really shows the feistyness he has. I love how you can almost picture him standing straight up into a rear after this picture. Gorgeous. :heart:
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SmexyHajiSan Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Trolls… trolls everywhere.

I like this pic. Lol, I wish my coloring and lines came together this well, and such a gorgeous horse too! Just ignore the rollkur comment. She’s a repeat offender anyhow.
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Tumblepatchkits Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh dayum, I would like this if I could!

LOL Repeat offender, I love it! :XD: And now I'm on the 'defend Jullelin' bsndwagon too! XD
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SmexyHajiSan Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its so true. I think she goes around looking for 'rollkur' pictures to comment on and cause trouble with... Sorry, but you can keep your overreations to yourself in my opinion. Ruins the whole concept of HA-RPG.

Lol, and yay! I got an imaginary like :iconhurrhurrplz:
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DressageRider88 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
This is definetly not rollkur. I've been riding dressage for many years and I've seen people ride their horses in rollkur the second before they go in the show ring so their horses stay round and it's disgusting. This is not rollkur. Rollkur is when the horse has its neck lower in the place where it would generally hold a nice frame and then it tucks its nose into it's chest so far it's almost like they're putting their head between their legs. You really need to be pulling and flexing to get them down that far. A horse that I ride does this sometimes. Not in piaffe because I can't do that yet but even just in regular riding. If he tired or tense or excited he gets tight in the neck and looks like las does here. It's not rollkur and often it's not the riders fault. A lot of horses do it naturally

One of the horses in the olympics looked like las does here in the piaffe as well. Im pretty sure it was Chevri's Capital and the Canadian guy that got eliminated, if you want to look it up. Just ignore all these people though because this is not rollkur, nor does Emma ever put las in rollkur.
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LokiTheDemon Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So what if it is or not? Just enjoy the pic without bragging about how much you ride dressage and How well you know every single little thing, It's just a drawing, So... :I
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Boegedal Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He looks like he is really tense, but what do i know, as you said it yourself, its only one frame from a "video".

But nicely drawed :)
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Jullelin Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
He might be tense since he is not that fond of other horses around him xD
Yeah. Only one segment from a entire workout ;D
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Boegedal Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True :highfive:
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012
Do you understand what rollkur is...?
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imke14 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
not looking for a fight
just saying my opinion just like you did... kinda..?

it's just a drawing
relax
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
I wasn't either; I was asking a question. -_-
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imke14 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
and starting unnecessary drama
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Oh, you mean the drama all her 'fans' caused by butting into the conversation? -_-
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imke14 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this is the second time you did something like this
it's just a drawing
let it go
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Your point?
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imke14 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
calm yo tits
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Jullelin Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
Yeah, I know what it is. Though this is not Rollkur, since Lascivio is holding his head high, and not his nose close to his riders feet. And, if if see on his rump, it is lower... a sign that he currently is doing a piaffe, and since Lascivio is who he is... he can easliy break off his piaffe and slightly rear and that is why he is holding his head high and close to his throat.
Why did you ask?
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012
Because I think you need to do a little more research on the topic...
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Littlehorselover Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Dude, the head is not even behind the vertical line. :lmao:
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Katha88 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Well then tell us what you think, what makes this a rollkur picture?
Rollkur first of all means that the horses head is behind the vertical, usually very tighly forced to their chest or close. You create alot of pressure to the horse, holding them on the bit and lot's of leg pressure.
All I can see here is a horse that could be more loose at the neck and ganache, but!
The neck is the highest point, so this is absolutely no rollkur.
But please I'd like to hear why it makes you think this is rollkur.
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BangGoesReality Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Slightly off here, the description you've given is the simplified version in which is used. It's to do with the angle at which the skull and the poll are at, no matter the height, although this picture it cant be determined. In this picture the horse is over flexed past the ideal, even though in a piaffe the nose should stick out slightly to avoid this over flexion and maintain the acceptable angle between the poll and head as this is the point that over flexion causes the long term damage to. I read an article on it that I can find if you want to know the scientific angle on it :3
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Katha88 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
If seen and read so many articles about rollkur in our german horse magazines. (but if you have it, I'd like to read it, especially to learn some english terms)
It's just sometimes hard to describe things, but yeah you're right the horse is flexed past the ideal(which I tried to describe), but it's no rollkur.
Have you ever tried to ride a horse in high lectures like a piaffe? If you did (high collection what ever, you might have realized how hard it is to ride a horse in the perfect ideal. So many good (and soft) riders can't always manage the perfect angle (even if they try to make it correct) horses get excited and tense (like the pictured situation) or some horses tend to hide behind the vertical.
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life-d-sign Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
It's not what you define as Rollkur,but you might fight this article helpful.

(German)
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Fehler in der Anlehnung: Hinter dem Zügel oder Gegen/Über dem Zügel
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Katha88 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
:) danke, an sich kenn ich das alles aber es ist immer gut es nochmal durchzulesen. In dem Fall geht das Pferd wohl über dem Zügel, der Unterhals ist mir auch aufgefallen (was lächerlich klingt wenn man bedenkt dass man von einem gezeichneten Fantasiebild ausgeht)
Aber trotzdem was hat das mit der Rollkur zu tun, es ist nicht korrekt klar und nicht über den Rücken und nicht entspannt, aber in der Situation gings ja da rum.
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BangGoesReality Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Oh I have no doubt it's a complicated movement, unfortunately I only ride babies with the basics before they're sold so I haven't had the chance to ride a high school horse. I just know having watched that it can be achieved but it would be a very hard thing to keep constant, over flexion is an easy thing to induce.
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Jullelin Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
You cannot call it rollkur by just one "snapshot" from a "video". You need to see several seconds to decide if it is rollkur in fact. And this picture is a fracture of a second. Lascivio can easliy the very next second easen up the tightness. And as I have said several times before, I draw foam around the mouth because the horse is sucking on the bit. This is a fair amount of foam and nothing cruel about it.
But I shall post a poll and see if others share your opinion.
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
*face palm*

I'm not even going to argue any further. Go observe horses, then you'll see what I'm talking about. -_-
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Tumblepatchkits Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Might I point out how rude I find this reply towards Jullelin to be? She puts a lot of effort into ALL her work, and then very nicely tried to explain (even after your very abrupt, bluntly put comments) exactly what was going on in the picture...and like all trolls, you simply go 'huh, talk to the hand, not discussing it anymore'. Which I find rude & childish. If you really cared so much, you would have structured your case better, and continued to fight, but nope, you just leave a rude comment & disappear. Oh well. Just my thoughts on the matter. Perhaps if you try & breach such topics more nicely in future, people won't have a problem & make such snide remarks towards you. But that's just an idea.
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
And you're not rude by sticking your nose into another human beings conversation?
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Tumblepatchkits Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's the internet, deary! Like, an open forum, y'know? Jullelin was clearly concerned/annoyed/harrassed about your comments as she posted a poll on the topic, which got back to me, one of her faithful watchers. Now, you're so quick to jump to your own defense, and become standoffish and rude...well Jullelin is an artist I greatly admire, so now I'm jumping to her defense. You made a rather abrupt comment on her picture, and when she tried to explain, calmly & rationally to you, you blew her off & become rude & defensive. And through browsing other journals & comments, I have seen that you have done some finger pointing before, also at Jullelin. Which makes me sad. And plenty of other people with it. I'm trying not to be rude or mean here, but I have a gut-feeling that even the nicest comment I could try would be rudely blown off or ignored, so I'm just gonna out with it. I feel it would help you to change your style in talking to people and bringing up issues with others. Maybe then you won't end up as the laughing stock all the time. :/
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MakiTokito Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Let's call the pixel police on pixel horse abuse then shall we? Then the pixel police can laugh when it's not really rollkur at all. Someone else needs to do their own research.

Look here at the images of the horses head in piaffe:

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vs rollkur

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And for the record, the copied definition of rollkur:

Rollkur or hyperflexion of the horse's neck is a practice in equestrianism defined as "flexion of the horse's neck achieved through aggressive force" and is banned by the world governing body, the International Federation for Equestrian Sports

Far from what this image looks like :)
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Tumblepatchkits Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh god! If I could LIKE this comment, I would! :XD: Oh by the way, I totally think the pixel police SHOULD be called... then they can talk to SynBrittany about wasting pixel police time! :lmao:

Not that I know MUCH about rollkur or anything, but you can tell by comparison that this isn't it. Yes Ok, maybe Lassie is tense & overflexing a little, & Jullelin has given a good, genuine reason for this, which can be backed up by reading about Lassie & his temperament! Not all horses are perfect; some need stronger bits, some need riding crops when ridden, some are just buggers! :XD: Lassie is his own character, & in this pic, he is just having a little bit of a moment! Nothing more, nothing less!
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MakiTokito Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:lol: Wow thanks so much. My smart-ass ness was let loose again x)

I admit I only learned what rollkur was a month ago but even I can tell the difference. Yes exactly on that and the fact about that if it were real and the horse was moving and taken a photo it would be one millisecond of the move, a frame of it. Even if it wouldn't have been a good thing, the horse could have been tossing it's head or something, ya know. It wouldn't have to resort to the worst case scenario.
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
I know what it is... I was asking her if she did. -_-
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Tumblepatchkits Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Syn, I think you really are tackling this the wrong way. You're so defensive, & that makes you come across as rude.
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MakiTokito Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well you kept seeming to want to tell her she knows nothing about what it is and kept trying to imply she did it.
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fantreasureplanetljs Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012  Student General Artist
:love: he's beautiful! =D
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Jullelin Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
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:la: Welcome!
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